The Loudness War. A view from the top.

I am a regular participant on the recording forum Gear Slutz and have been part of that community for many years. I have seen a lot of things there that have been informative, stupid, silly, brilliant and everything else one could imagine, but in a recent discussion I read the one post that has stuck with me more than any I have ever read.

maroon-5-hands-all-overThere was a discussion about the recent Maroon 5 album, “Hands All Over” produced by the legendary Mutt Lange and much of it recorded and mixed by his long time collaborator, Mike Shipley (Def Leppard, Shania Twain, Aerosmith). In the midst of all of the comments, pro and con about the sound of the album (mostly pro!) a few people made some negative comments about the Mastering by Brad Blackwood (one of the most respected mastering engineers in the Industry) and Mike Shipley chimed in to explain why the mastering is the way it is.

I was so struck by his comments not just because of the heartfelt honesty, but to see how clearly the guys at the very top of the recording game have to deal with the same struggles about loudness, and ultimately creative direction as those of us a couple rungs down the ladder.

The “Loudness War” is one of the most controversial  subjects in the world of recording, and usually the most misunderstood. If people feel something is mastered too loud, the blame is almost always put on the mastering engineer, and almost always incorrectly. I have never met a mastering engineer of any merit that loves how loud and distorted they are forced to make albums, and very few mixers that savor it.

Here is the gearslutz.com post in its entirely, but it is well worth checking out the original post and following the context of the conversation.

Originally Posted by shipshape View Post
Ok here we go if this is about the mastering , NO WAY is it the fault of the mastering engineer
Originally the mastering was 2 db lower , Brad and I thought it was spot on ! The label said it wasn’t loud enough. I actually stopped ALL the pressing plants to stop while I re valued the mastering. My point being. I just care so much how loud records are. I would really like this record to be quieter and keep the extra lo end octave !! And keep the balance we went for.
It’s politically hard to say this , but when the “label ” asked for it louder , I was upset as tho it wasn’t as loud as recent releases , I liked it and figured anyone would turn it up if it was quiet etc. The label wanted it louder to ” compete “. But we had ” dialogue ” over it Yes I was totally bummed. Brad and I had dialed in a modern record that WAS not involved in ” level wars ” with other artists.
I tried to convince the label that what we had was great. It went over my Head. So no wonder I’m pissed. I don’t work my ass off and put my whole life into a record to find out the label went over my head level wise. It’s VERY disturbing to a passionate person , but it happened.
I hate it and hate level wars etc. It can ruin within hours what ivve spent a year on !! U have no idea
I take this so personally because of the type of person I am. Therefore it kinda hurts when records I work on. Which are normally kinda odd records get pissed on by others. I really do the best I can , like all of us do.
I hate the ” no rules ” mastering that exists these days. But what can WE ALL DO to change this. I hate it and it depresses me .
Therefore I can’t say anything about the mastering , other than Brad is brilliant.
All the haters. Have a beer and move on to porcupine Tree or something. We are here doing the absolute best we can. It’s hard work
Shipshape

Due to fast sell out – New recording boot camp added March 7-12.

gregg.bissonetteWhen we posted dates for the next Recording Boot Camp on January 24-29, 2011, It sold out almost immediately, and we have had to turn people away. So we have added another Boot Camp March 7-12, 2011. The cost is $1000(usd) with early registration.

This is an early announcement for people who follow my blog here and want first chance to get into the program. We are really concerned about not spamming our mailing list, so we will not announce this in the newsletter for a couple more weeks. (but we will announce it at the Taxi Road Rally this weekend)

If you are interested in attending, contact us as soon as possible to set up an admissions interview.

New Boot Camp in LA Jan 24-29 & Tony Maserati Waves event

Ciao from Italy! Here is the latest HRBC news. We had a great time with the Recording Boot Camp in Italy. We are in talks to do another one next year (probably in the Fall of 2011)

SIX DAY RECORDING BOOT CAMP IN LOS ANGELES JANUARY 24-29, 2011

If you are interested in this one please contact us as soon as possible to schedule an interview. Class size is limited to 6 students. Cost is $1,000 with advanced registration.  Home Recording Boot Camp Details

RONAN SPEAKING AT TAXI ROAD RALLY

Ronan will be giving two master classes (one on vocal recording, the other on arranging for the studio) at the TAXI Road Rally November 4-7. This conference is open to members of TAXI, plus one guest. It’s is one of my favorite conferences and I know a lot of people that join TAXI just to be able to attend the conference. Conference details here. If you are planning to attend, write to me and I can tell you the exact times of my classes.

STUDIO CONSULTING

Ronan is doing more and more consulting these days for individuals and companies that need advice or training outside of the Recording Boot Camps. If you are interested in private consulting, contact us to set up a time.

TONY MASERATI AT THE VILLAGE RECORDER, OCTOBER 24TH

Home Recording Boot Camp is not affiliated with this in any way, but a friend of ours is helping to organize it, and if you are n L.A. you might want to check it out. It’s presented by Waves so expect a bit of a sales pitch, but I went to the Chris Lord-Alge session Waves presented and it’s a very cool opportunity to hear from some of the best engineers in the biz for free, and this one is extra cool because it’s in the beautiful Village Recorder. I will still be working in Italy o this date and will unfortunately miss it. Tony Maserati Event

Thanks
Ronan

Daniel Lanois talks about vocal recording with Neil Young for Le Noise

I have always been a big fan of experimenting with recording vocals without headphones. I find that sometimes its great and other times its not exactly the right thing. Depends on the singer and the vibe of the sessions. But many a session have been saved by doing it.

In this new video on youtube, Daniel Lanois talks about recording vocals without headphones, more eloquently than I ever could.

Mixing, Recording, and Producing Techniques of the Pros by Rick Clark

I recently had a chance to interview Rick Clark, Author of “Mixing, Recording, and Producing Techniques of the Pros” for Ronan’s Recording Show. What I thought would be a short interview ended up being 40 minutes of great content. Rick not only talked about the book, but shares great insight into many producers. Fans of Jim Dickinson (Big Star, The Replacements, Ry Cooter), Brian Ahern (Emmylou Harris, Anne Murray, Ricky Skaggs) David Briggs (Neil Young, Nick Cave, Royal Trux) will really enjoy Rick’s insight into these producer’s work.

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If you want to watch on your iphone, ipod or ipad download the m4v version

Free mixer panel. Mixing tips from the pros. Hollywood August 25

Ronan’s Recording Show along with A Designs Audio and Pealman Microphones is presenting a free panel discussion with some of the top music mixers in Los Angeles. The event is August 25, 2010 from 8-10 and being held in the theater of the Musicians Institute.

Black Eyed Peas Engineer, Dylan DresowRonan Chris Murphy King Crimson mixerTony Shepperd mixing engineerErik Zobler. George Duke MixerJohn Rodd Scoring Mixer

No RSVP is necessary, just show up and bring your friends that are into recording. But it would be great if we heard from you before to get an idea how many people might show up.

Panelist include:

Dylan “3-D” Dresdow

Grammy winner, Dylan “3-D” Dresdow, mixed  “Boom Boom Pow” and “I Got A Feeling” (the best selling download of all time) for The Black Eyed Peas which was the longest successive #1 chart run by a duo or group in the Billboard’s Hot 100’s history. His other clients include Michael Jackson,  Rihanna,  Flo Rida,  Kelis, Usher with “O.M.G, and recently

Tony Shepperd

Credits include Whitney Houston, BeBe and CeCe Winans, Kenny Loggins, Chicago, Elton John, Back Street Boys, Boyz II Men, Madonna, Take 6, Lionel Richie, Queen Latifah.. Tony is known as the go-to guy for mixing for the best vocalists in pop and R&B.

Ronan Chris Murphy

Ronan Chris Murphy’s crazy discography ranges from Youtube sensation Tay Zonday, world music ledgends to over a dozen albums with King Crimson. He has produced and engineered for many virtuosos including Terry Bozzio, Steve Morse, Steve Stevens, Chucho Valdes, Tony Levin, Nels Cline, Jamie Walters and side projects with members of Tool, Weezer and Ministry.

John Rodd

Widely known for orchestral film score recording and mixing, John has worked on hundreds of films (including seven years as Scoring Recordist at 20th Century Fox Newman Scoring Stage). In addition to his film work, he is also one of the top recording engineers & music mixers for big budget video games including “World of Warcraft,” “Assassins Creed II,” and “Avatar: The Game”

Erik Zobler

Erik has engineered and mixed hundreds of albums, DVD’s, TV and Film scores.   Credits include Miles Davis, Natalie Cole, Whitney Houston, Gladys Knight, Anita Baker, Sara Vaughn, Al Jarreau, Stanley Clarke, Bob James, and George Duke.

Get all the details about this panel on the official web site ronansrecordingshow.com/mixer-panel/

The secret to the Chris Lord Alge sound?

Chris Lord Alge Signature Series plugins seminar

Chris Lord Alge Signature Series plugins seminar at Mix LA Studio.

I recently had a chance to see a presentation by Chris Lord Alge in his studio, Mix LA, in Tarzana, CA. It was presented by Waves so I knew it was going to be a bit of a dog and pony show for some plugins, but I am always trying to learn, and I was not about to pass up a chance to learn a little bit from the most successful mixer in the world. If you think you are not familiar with CLA, just turn on pop or rock radio in any city for 10 minutes and you will probably hear something he mixed.

As expected, it was a presentation for the new Chris Lord Alge Signature Series plugins from Waves. While I have not used them in the studio, I can give you a mini review: It seems pretty cool and has a very user friendly GUI. They sort of designed it so a monkey could use it and get some pretty usable sounds. Aside from the fact that it seems very CPU intensive, It will probably be a cool thing for less experienced mixers, and an interesting creative tool for those a bit more advanced,  but I have a CLA-Drums-bnp2feeling more experienced mixers will get frustrated at the lack of fine tuning capabilities. That being said, even though I am a pretty advanced mixer, with a big analog console and a wall of outboard hardware, I would probably be tempted to pull it up from time to time and get the CLA spin on things. It contains a lot of his default start points for EQ and delay etc, and just checking that out was a bit of a learning experience.

After the event I was a little bit disappointed that Chris had not spent more time talking about his particular techniques, but while driving home it struck me that he might have accidentally given us the secret to his sound……

I don’t think its the gear he uses. I think it’s this:

I realized that during the entire presentation CLA only referred to sounds as “exciting” or “boring” (or some variation of those). Not once did he ever apply one of his presets and comment on a sound being linear, or lush, or smooth, or having depth, or warmth, or even complimentary to the other things in the mix. He just kept applying processing and noting how much more “exciting” it got, and how “boring” or “plain jane” it got when he took the plugin off.

As I thought about it, I realized that I had just stumbled onto the secret of the Chris Lord Alge sound. I do not think he cares at all about many of the subtle nuances or details that many of us mixers get obsessed with. His mixes are all about the excitement, and whether you love his mixes or hate them, few people are neutral about a Chris Lord Alge mix. Listen to albums he has mixed for the likes of Daughtry, Green Day, My Chemical Romance, or even an artist like The Dave Matthews Band, and the mixes practically take your head off when you listen to them loud on high end studio monitors,  Even though I am a big fan of his work, it’s tough for me to listen to lots of his mixes back to back on the big speakers, but they have an excitement and energy to them that translates really well to car radios, boom boxes, laptops and many of the places people consume music these days. Chris Lord Alge focuses on making excitement jump out of the speakers, and love him or hate him, that is probably the reason all the labels keep hiring him, and why the first Daughtry album sounds so amazing in my crummy car stereo.

The Voclano in Iceland wipes out the Italian Recording Boot Camp

Today would have been day 3 of the Recording Boot Camp in Italy but the Volcano in Iceland canceled the flights of every single student. Of course this is a big pain for all involved, but at least I am trying to make the best of it hanging out with good friends here, doing some work with a few Italian artists and eating very well.

We are going to re-schedule the Boot Camp in Italy, probably for September. Since a couple of of the students are choosing to reschedule for my next Recording Boot Camp June 14-19, there will be some spaces available for the Italy Boot Camp when we put the new date on the books. Booking is still open for the Home Recording Boot Camp in LA June 14-19

If you do not follow Ronan’s Recording Show, just letting you know that there is a new video posted there about drum recording that you might be interested in.

http://ronansrecordingshow.com/2010/04/drum-recording-advice-miking-for-two-rock-drums-sets/

Ciao from Italy

The Lion of Saint Mark - Symbol of the Veneto

The Lion of Saint Mark - Symbol of the Veneto